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Alex Buckles

*Tips for Setting* the Initial Close Date in B2B Sales (with contest for sales managers to run)

That initial close date is one of the hardest dates to pick for most sales reps. Most think, “Who cares? It’s going to change anyway once we get into the deal.” And that may be the case, but if you try diligently to get as close to the mark as possible from day one, it’ll serve you well the rest of your career. You’ll get so good at it, you’ll notice that you’ll be mad at yourself when you have to change your close date, every single time.

 In fact, a good contest for sales managers to run is a “Closest to the Pin” style contest, but focused on close date. Make the contest for the quarter, log initial close dates for every opp, log the actual close dates, then add up the differences (number of days) between initial & actual. The key is that it must go in both directions. If the reps closes it faster by 14 days, then that counts just as much as closing it 14 days late. The goal here is precision. The rep with the lowest number of days at the end of the contest wins. Include a deal minimum (i.e. Must have closed at least 3 deals and deals must be greater than $50k…something like that).

In another post, we wrote about The Difference Between Decision Process & Paper Process. These are literally the only two components of deal timing. Yes, there will be a bunch of subtasks and milestones within these two categories, but once a rep grasps that these are the only time periods that matter, the complex sale doesn’t seem so complex. In that post, we provided some meaningful questions you can ask to root out the process for each of these categories.

In general though, the decision process is all about finding out who owns the budget, who’s involved (influencers/evaluators/decision maker), and how/when they intend to make the final decision. Here are two approaches a rep can take (Working Forward or Working Backwards from Go Live) to determine timing.

Working Forward:

  1. Figure out Decision Process & Timing
  2. Figure out Paper Process & Timing
  3. Estimate Kickoff

     

Recommended Sample Conversation:

  • So it seems like you’re going to be gathering information over the next 3 weeks, with full demonstrations being completed in week 4 by all vendors. Do you plan on creating a shortlist, then finishing up the evaluation, or do you intend on making a final decision after product demonstrations?
  • Got it. Shortlist, then technical feasibility, then final decision. Since you’re narrowing down to only two vendors for technical feasibility, how long do you anticipate the technical feasibility stage to be? We see this a lot on our side and it takes about 3 hours of technical conversation to validate things, which typically occurs in 2 meetings.
  • Two weeks? Awesome. So, we’re looking at about 6 weeks of scheduled time. Let’s throw an extra week in there for a little buffer, just in case, which brings us to 7 weeks.
  • Since you’ve made a purchase of this size before, what was that procurement process like from a timing & complexity perspective? Some companies can onboard new vendors in a matter of a couple of weeks and some take months. I just want to ensure I’m planning properly.
  • So, about a month? Perfect. 
  • This means we’re looking at about 90 days for the evaluation, vendor selection, and contracting, which means we can probably kick off in 3 months and go live in 5. Does that sound like it matches up with your internal timeline expectations?

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From here, they can either agree or disagree. If you feel like they agree too quickly or without true thought, that’s a red flag. Try to validate that timeline with other stakeholders, just to be certain. If they disagree and give you logical reasons (i.e. we’re trying to go live in 4 months because of “INSERT COMPELLING EVENT HERE”) then that’s a positive thing. This will let them know they need to expedite either their decision process or their paper process and you’re the vendor that shed light on this (already adding value).

Initial Close Date: Set for 90 days out, if they agree with this timeline and you can validate with another stakeholder. Then, send out the evaluation plan to the prospect so you can reference it in the future when the buyer falls behind on something. The evaluation plan is always a great excuse for outreach when you need it.

Working Backwards from Go Live:

  1. Identify Desired Go-Live Date
  2. Figure out Paper Process
  3. Estimate when Decision Process Needs to be Completed

     

Recommended Sample Conversation:

  • Ideally, when would you like to be able to go live with this solution in production?
  • Early September? That’s about 3 months out. Let me just validate quickly that this is feasible. It will take us about 2-3 weeks of setup to get you live. Let’s assume 3 for planning purposes. Since you’ve made a purchase like this in the past of a similar size, what was that vendor contracting process like from a timing and complexity perspective?
  • Perfect, so 30 days is about average and since this transaction is less than $250k, we avoid the board review. Great. 
  • That’s about 2 months gone right there, which leaves you with about 30 days for making a decision on the vendor before moving into contracting. May we have a quick conversation about your decision or vendor-selection process to make sure we can get this done within the allotted time in order to hit your desired go-live date?

     

Most people don’t say no to that last question. At the end of the conversation, you as the seller have some decisions to make in terms of timing.

  1. If the stakeholder says they can make the decision process happen within 30 days and you think they’re nuts, especially given the number of stakeholders involved, then go with your gut. Add a couple of weeks, or longer, to your timeline.
  2. If you feel the stakeholder knows how to manage the decision process and has the experience to call it as 30 days, then stick with the 30 days.
  3. Many times, the stakeholder will have to get back to you. Hopefully they socialize YOUR timeline, in the form of an evaluation plan/close plan/mutual action plan, internally for feedback. As long as they come back with what seems like a well-thought-out plan or answer to your question, then go with it.

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Mollie Bodensteiner is an experienced operations professional with a demonstrated track record of utilizing technology to support operational processes that drive performance and innovation.

She currently is the Vice President of Operations at Sound and owns go-to-market agency, MB Solutions. Mollie has previously held operations leadership roles at Deel, Syncari, Corteva and Marketo.

She has over 14 years of experience in both B2C and B2B operations and technology. When she is not working, Mollie enjoys spending time with her husband, three small children, and two large dogs.

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Growing up in the age of Disney and Nick@Nite I always wanted to be a child actor (good thing that never was actually pursued 🙂

Favorite Win:
I am not sure I have a specific “win” but I think I get the most joy and excitement from coaching others and watching them hit major milestones in their career. The first time you get to promote someone on your team or watch them lead a major project – are always career highlights!

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My journey from Education to Operations has equipped me with a unique perspective and skill set that perfectly aligns with Forecastable’s mission to help businesses improve sales collaboration through partner co-selling strategies.

At Forecastable, I am passionate about empowering teams and organizations to unlock the full potential of strategic partnerships. By leveraging my expertise in communication, leadership, and operational efficiency, I contribute to creating seamless co-selling processes that align with business goals and deliver exceptional results.

The intersection of my educational foundation and operational experience fuels my dedication to fostering alignment, building trust, and enhancing collaboration between partners. I am driven by the opportunity to contribute to a platform that not only optimizes sales strategies but also strengthens relationships that lead to long-term growth.

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After serving in The United States Marine Corps, Alex Buckles spent the next two decades as a student of revenue production and an advocate for innovation.

Along the way, he has helped numerous companies achieve double and triple-digit growth by crafting and executing high-performing go-to-market strategies, with co-selling at the center of each.

As a once-advanced technical marketer, an expert sales & partner professional, and a strong customer success advocate, Mr. Buckles understands the impact of these functions aligning not only on revenue production, but on the day-to-day execution of the go-to-market strategy. This concept of revenue-team alignment is what quickly became the foundation of Forecastable back in January of 2018.

In his free time, you’ll find him spending quality time with his children, one of whom is on the autism spectrum. 1 in 36 children in the U.S. are on the spectrum and boys are four times more likely to be diagnosed than girls.

With that in mind, Mr. Buckles plans on dedicating the rest of his life serving those living with autism, through his organization Pathways for Autism. From his perspective, there must be a scalable and financially self-sustaining infrastructure established to put as many individuals with autism as possible on a path towards complete independence as adults.

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Prior to Forecastable, Dave was the Global Chief Revenue Officer for NetWitness, a $200m business in the CyberSecurity Industry. At NetWitness, Dave led all customer-facing functions including Sales, Marketing, Channels, Professional Services, Customer Support, Customer Success and Sales Operations. In his role Dave assisted the Chairman on hitting EBITDA and Revenue Targets for the new Private Equity Owners after carving the business out from three other businesses at RSA as well as divesting from Dell EMC. Dave created and led a customer-first approach unifying all functions internally and externally to manage the transition and rebuild the organization. Prior to Netwitness, in his first two years at RSA, Dave was RSA’s Chief Revenue Officer of the Americas achieving his Revenue Targets in 2019 and 2020 and grew the business from $400 to $540 million across all Product Lines.

Prior to joining RSA, Dave was Vice President of Sales within the Big Data, IoT and Analytics Division of Hitachi Vantara for two years improving collaboration between Hitachi’s Hardware Sales Organization and his Organization resulting in closing large Software Contracts and achieving Plan. Prior to joining Hitachi, Dave served as Chief Revenue Officer for two early-stage SaaS growth companies, Sailthru and Dynamic Yield in the Marketing Technology space. In each role Dave built SaaS businesses from the ground up and laid the foundation for successful exits. At Sailthru, his Team closed 250 New Logos in 2 ½ years and grew Revenue from $3.7m ARR to $32m ARR Run Rate, increasing AOV by 10x. Prior to Sailthru, Dave founded and operated G2 Strategic Advisory Services full time, for five years helping Technology founders optimize Go-to-Market Strategies and improve Sales and Marketing execution.

Previously, Dave was Chief Revenue Officer of the Americas for VeriSign leading a $200m+ Sales Organization. At VeriSign, Dave turned around the organization and consistently achieved his numbers resulting in a 37% CAGR vs the Industry Standard CAGR of 17%. Prior to VeriSign, Dave worked as Chief Revenue Officer, in the Data Integration space joining Juice Software pre-product and helping the scale to their first Enterprise Customers. Previously, Dave worked at NetPerceptions, market leader in Personalization Technology, as VP of Sales for US East, Canada and LATAM. Prior to NetPerceptions, Dave worked for five years at Oracle Corporation in the Enterprise Major Accounts Organization. In his second year at Oracle, Oracle’s Executive Leadership Team named Dave Global Account Manager of the Year and he was given a double promotion to Regional Sales Manager, his first Sales Leadership role.

Dave started his technology industry sales career at Digital Equipment Corporation, the then 2nd largest Technology Company in the World. At DEC, Dave received excellent training and mentorship which helped him become a successful Major Account Executive, achieving Plan Eight years in a row, including two Top 10% Awards out of 5,000 Reps resulting in six promotions in eight years.

Dave’s professional development includes training by Dr. Jeff Spencer, former Olympian and Author of Champion’s Blueprint, and completion of Executive Training Programs with Dr. Noel Tichy, Director of the University of Michigan’s Global Leadership Program as well as an Executive Leadership Course at Babson College’s Executive Education Center.